Comments on: Advanced SF4: All About Dummies

By: Maj

Maj — Sun, 12 Jun 2011 00:55:29 +0000

Doopliss: I agree, but i don’t know if anyone’s willing to tackle that much work. If you want to give it a shot, i’m sure it would be very much appreciated by the community.

You might want to start compiling notes now though. You’d be surprised at how much of this stuff you start to forget when you’re not using it.

By: Tigre III

Tigre III — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 23:53:31 +0000

Very interesting stuff, specially for combomakers. I like how its exposed, with all the pics, and one flash animation! wow nice work man.

By: Doopliss

Doopliss — Mon, 06 Jun 2011 00:37:17 +0000

It would be nice to make a huge list in a few years, mentioning every character’s stats and different intricacies as dummies.

By: Snoooootch

Snoooootch — Sat, 04 Jun 2011 04:16:30 +0000

Great Job, error! I like your touch on the “Fist bump.” Abel truly is a fist bumper. :)

Oh, I also like Dhalsim’s huge hit box when he falls. He’s the only character that fei long can hit immediately with a hk chicken wing after a flame kick FADC. . . and STILL get all 3 hits of both the Chicken wing and the U1. Sim is my personal favorite dummy.

By: error1

error1 — Sat, 04 Jun 2011 01:18:13 +0000

I considered adding a boxer example just beacuse his ground and air hitboxes are so strange. His ground hit box is really quite big but it feels like he is always pushing you away, and he seems to get extra height of juggles.

@onreload
Yeah I wanted to do something like that cvs2 guide, but every single dummy in sf4 is useful.
There are more then three, especially when you get into different strength attacks and crouching, the problem is a lot of them look really similar.
You really just need to try reactions and see if any look promising.
For example to combo Sagat’s F+hk vs Seth you need it so he doesn’t move his head back or down so you have to hit him low. The only hard attack that can get that reaction is a deep j.hk.

By: onreload

onreload — Sat, 04 Jun 2011 00:59:57 +0000

Lots of useful info in here. Reminds me of Maj’s old CvS2 dummy guide, which explains all those weird times Mai falls over like a doofus

So on a standing character, is it really only three unique reel animations? One for crouching? And no random factors? Does counterhit have a special reel, or just added hitstun/damage/stun?

I knew something was weird about this darn game when with Claw vs. Ryu I did j.HP, land, d+HK (slide) and the second attack went right through

By: Maj

Maj — Fri, 03 Jun 2011 22:47:21 +0000

Haha i like the nicknames you came up with for some of those dummies/setups. I think this article is a great primer for conveying the concept of fluid dummy hitboxes. There’s always more details you can add, but after a while it becomes overkill. At the end of the day, a lot of it is pure trial and error – although it helps to know what you’re looking for.

Just a couple of minor notes …

You’re right about Balrog being a terrible target for ground combos, but he’s probably the best dummy in the game for juggle combos because he bounces higher than anyone.

Also Honda isn’t the best dummy for multiple standing close attacks. It actually depends on the attacks you’re using, but crouching El Fuerte is probably the best in general. Among standing characters, i think Seth is better than Honda, and Gouken is overrated.

Lastly, the female characters aren’t all as thin as they look. Cammy in particular is a pretty decent combo dummy, and crouching Sakura is really useful too. But yeah, it’s pretty tough to compete with standing Seth, standing Dhalsim, crouching Honda, and fireball-chasing Rose.